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		<title>Comment on The Smoke Point of Extra Virgin Olive: The Whole Story by Extra Virgin Olive Oil: A Little Bit of Knowledge Can be Dangerous &#124; Crush and Press</title>
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		<dc:creator>Extra Virgin Olive Oil: A Little Bit of Knowledge Can be Dangerous &#124; Crush and Press</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] olive oil expert Richard Gawel points out in his splendid &#8220;Smoke Point of Extra Virgin Olive Oil: The Whole Story&#8221; that the higher the acidity level of olive oil the lower the smoke point. Gawel states that [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The “Home Fridge Test” for Authenticity of Extra Virgin Olive Oil &#8211; The Reasons why it doesn’t work by admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi once again
You&#039;re right. I&#039;ve noticed that some types of oil don&#039;t solidify when theoretically they should. Solidification of complex mixtures of substances (like all edible fats are) is a very complex matter. Scientists still argue today about crystal formation in water!  But in some ways this adds to my arguement that trying to predict what is in a complex substance by simply looking at its freezing point is a dubious practice.

Re the phytosterols. I actually don&#039;t know. But I have noticed that oils made from varieties which are high in waxes tend to solidify more easily and sometimes they don&#039;t like to fully melt either. But that is just an observation.

Come to think of it sterols might not be that important in this. Seed oils are much higher in sterols that EVOO (even though they are refined). Corn oil is the highest in this respect (from memory). I guess you could try to see if corn oil solidifies in the fridge! My guess is that it won&#039;t or not much anyway.

RG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi once again<br />
You&#8217;re right. I&#8217;ve noticed that some types of oil don&#8217;t solidify when theoretically they should. Solidification of complex mixtures of substances (like all edible fats are) is a very complex matter. Scientists still argue today about crystal formation in water!  But in some ways this adds to my arguement that trying to predict what is in a complex substance by simply looking at its freezing point is a dubious practice.</p>
<p>Re the phytosterols. I actually don&#8217;t know. But I have noticed that oils made from varieties which are high in waxes tend to solidify more easily and sometimes they don&#8217;t like to fully melt either. But that is just an observation.</p>
<p>Come to think of it sterols might not be that important in this. Seed oils are much higher in sterols that EVOO (even though they are refined). Corn oil is the highest in this respect (from memory). I guess you could try to see if corn oil solidifies in the fridge! My guess is that it won&#8217;t or not much anyway.</p>
<p>RG</p>
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		<title>Comment on Extra Virgin Olive Oil Judging &#8211; A little more than just tasting by admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael
The gold, silver, bronze awards were never meant to mean best, second best, and third best. Gold refers to oils that are &quot;excellent&quot;, silver to &quot;very good&quot; and &quot; bronze&quot; to above average. Well that is what Australian show judges are instructed to interpret things, and I&#039;m sure something similar goes on elsewhere. When you think of it the first past the post system isn&#039;t as fair as it seems. For example you could have a weak class with three pretty average oils being the best of a pretty crappy lot. Using the first past the post system, the judges would be obliged to give a gold to not such a great oil. The class next to it could have three absolute crackers in in there, but the third outstanding oil would be relegated to a bronze. So the gold in the first class might not even be as good as the bronze in the second. So giving lots of golds to very strong classes, and no golds to weak classes isn&#039;t such a bad idea. Incidentally the difference in quality between classes in shows can be substantial.

Incidentally, a lot of shows give best of class awards, and some give best, second and third best of class. However most have a minimum standard for these. Usually a gold medal is a requirement for the best of class being awarded, however in some regional shows with smaller numbers of entries, occassionally a silver medal is the minimum quality level for best of class. So for those who are interested in the best oil can look for the best of class.

RG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael<br />
The gold, silver, bronze awards were never meant to mean best, second best, and third best. Gold refers to oils that are &#8220;excellent&#8221;, silver to &#8220;very good&#8221; and &#8221; bronze&#8221; to above average. Well that is what Australian show judges are instructed to interpret things, and I&#8217;m sure something similar goes on elsewhere. When you think of it the first past the post system isn&#8217;t as fair as it seems. For example you could have a weak class with three pretty average oils being the best of a pretty crappy lot. Using the first past the post system, the judges would be obliged to give a gold to not such a great oil. The class next to it could have three absolute crackers in in there, but the third outstanding oil would be relegated to a bronze. So the gold in the first class might not even be as good as the bronze in the second. So giving lots of golds to very strong classes, and no golds to weak classes isn&#8217;t such a bad idea. Incidentally the difference in quality between classes in shows can be substantial.</p>
<p>Incidentally, a lot of shows give best of class awards, and some give best, second and third best of class. However most have a minimum standard for these. Usually a gold medal is a requirement for the best of class being awarded, however in some regional shows with smaller numbers of entries, occassionally a silver medal is the minimum quality level for best of class. So for those who are interested in the best oil can look for the best of class.</p>
<p>RG</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are All Dark Glass Bottles used for Storing Extra Virgin Olive Oil the Same? by admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael

The paper I referred to was of course a wine paper, but it had some interesting information that was relevent to storing EVOO in bottles.

But as you asked... The purpose of the paper was to show that in some cases, the amount of browning of a white wine in a bottle of wine could be measured without opening it. Something pretty useful for QC. That abstract statement you referred to was stating that bottles of some colours like antique green absorb quite a bit at the wavelength (420nm) that are known to be good indicators of browning in white wines. Therefore for these coloured bottles it was not possible to reliably measure the amount of browning of the wine contained within them - well not using the traditional wavelength of 420nm.

Incidently 420nm is in the visible range of light so it isn&#039;t that energetic as far as starting off rancidity reactions.

The last statement you refer to says... well if the glass interferes with our readings at 420nm we need to find another wavelength that could be an indicator of browning. What they found that the actual browning of the wine (as measured in a clear glass cuvette), correlated well with the 540 reading when in antique green. So by switching the measurement to 520 when measuring through antique green bottles did a good job of predicting white wine browning.

Lastly, you have to be in the trade to know exactly what the different colours are, but I&#039;m sure any bottle rep would be happy to help if you were in the market for some - but just for now its that greeney turquoisey colour you often see used in expensive heavy wine bottles, and flint glass=clear glass.

RG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael</p>
<p>The paper I referred to was of course a wine paper, but it had some interesting information that was relevent to storing EVOO in bottles.</p>
<p>But as you asked&#8230; The purpose of the paper was to show that in some cases, the amount of browning of a white wine in a bottle of wine could be measured without opening it. Something pretty useful for QC. That abstract statement you referred to was stating that bottles of some colours like antique green absorb quite a bit at the wavelength (420nm) that are known to be good indicators of browning in white wines. Therefore for these coloured bottles it was not possible to reliably measure the amount of browning of the wine contained within them &#8211; well not using the traditional wavelength of 420nm.</p>
<p>Incidently 420nm is in the visible range of light so it isn&#8217;t that energetic as far as starting off rancidity reactions.</p>
<p>The last statement you refer to says&#8230; well if the glass interferes with our readings at 420nm we need to find another wavelength that could be an indicator of browning. What they found that the actual browning of the wine (as measured in a clear glass cuvette), correlated well with the 540 reading when in antique green. So by switching the measurement to 520 when measuring through antique green bottles did a good job of predicting white wine browning.</p>
<p>Lastly, you have to be in the trade to know exactly what the different colours are, but I&#8217;m sure any bottle rep would be happy to help if you were in the market for some &#8211; but just for now its that greeney turquoisey colour you often see used in expensive heavy wine bottles, and flint glass=clear glass.</p>
<p>RG</p>
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		<title>Comment on Extra Virgin Olive Oil Judging &#8211; A little more than just tasting by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Richard,

 One question I have had for a while about olive oil tasting competitions is the nature of the medal awards. as a naïf, one might think that an oil that had been awarded a gold, silver, or bronze medal at a competition would have been either the best, second-best, or third-best (respectively) in the show as a whole or at least in some category. But instead, I see that there are routinely multiple silver and bronze medal winners, and occasionally even more than one gold, within a category. On what basis is a medal category awarded, and why do the competitions use such a potentially-misleading nomenclature?

Well, at least your comment feature is getting used ;) .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Richard,</p>
<p> One question I have had for a while about olive oil tasting competitions is the nature of the medal awards. as a naïf, one might think that an oil that had been awarded a gold, silver, or bronze medal at a competition would have been either the best, second-best, or third-best (respectively) in the show as a whole or at least in some category. But instead, I see that there are routinely multiple silver and bronze medal winners, and occasionally even more than one gold, within a category. On what basis is a medal category awarded, and why do the competitions use such a potentially-misleading nomenclature?</p>
<p>Well, at least your comment feature is getting used <img src='http://www.aromadictionary.com/EVOO_blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  .</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are All Dark Glass Bottles used for Storing Extra Virgin Olive Oil the Same? by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 14:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Richard,

Great entry, as ever. I take it that you mean &lt;a href=&quot;http://dx.doi.org/10.1111/j.1755-0238.2003.tb00264.x&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Skouroumounis et al, &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;2003&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;? Do I correctly read the graph, and the abstract&#039;s statement that &quot;A420 of white wine in bottles of Antique Green or Amber glass could not be measured directly due to a strong absorbance of that wavelength by the glass&quot; to indicate that these colors are nearly impervious to the critical range of UV? If so, shouldn&#039;t these colors be the industry gold standard (lousy pun) -- and how does a producer or a consumer know what &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/images?oe=utf-8&amp;q=antique+green&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Antique Green&lt;/a&gt;&quot; is?) Finally, what is the significance of the statement that &quot;a strong correlation was established between measurement of A420 (cuvette) and A540 for white wine in Antique Green bottles and between A420 (cuvette) and either A540 or A600 for white wine in Amber bottles&quot;?

Hm. Perhaps I should be asking the authors ... Tell me to PO if appropriate ;) . Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Richard,</p>
<p>Great entry, as ever. I take it that you mean <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1111/j.1755-0238.2003.tb00264.x" rel="nofollow">Skouroumounis et al, <i><b>2003</b></i></a>? Do I correctly read the graph, and the abstract&#8217;s statement that &#8220;A420 of white wine in bottles of Antique Green or Amber glass could not be measured directly due to a strong absorbance of that wavelength by the glass&#8221; to indicate that these colors are nearly impervious to the critical range of UV? If so, shouldn&#8217;t these colors be the industry gold standard (lousy pun) &#8212; and how does a producer or a consumer know what &#8220;<a href="http://www.google.com/images?oe=utf-8&amp;q=antique+green" rel="nofollow">Antique Green</a>&#8221; is?) Finally, what is the significance of the statement that &#8220;a strong correlation was established between measurement of A420 (cuvette) and A540 for white wine in Antique Green bottles and between A420 (cuvette) and either A540 or A600 for white wine in Amber bottles&#8221;?</p>
<p>Hm. Perhaps I should be asking the authors &#8230; Tell me to PO if appropriate <img src='http://www.aromadictionary.com/EVOO_blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  . Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The “Home Fridge Test” for Authenticity of Extra Virgin Olive Oil &#8211; The Reasons why it doesn’t work by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 12:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Richard,

Thanks for this! FWIW, I&#039;ve never seen canola oil even begin to congeal in the fridge -- perhaps because of its high content of omega-3 alpha linolenic acid, which is even more desaturated than linoleic.

Do phytosterols not play a role in the issue? Real EVOO should contain a significant amount,while refined OO would have been winterized to remove them -- no? USDA says olive and hazelnut oils both have 120 mg/100 g, but I&#039;m assuming that this is more likely refined than EVOO; and canola and soybean oil have zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Richard,</p>
<p>Thanks for this! FWIW, I&#8217;ve never seen canola oil even begin to congeal in the fridge &#8212; perhaps because of its high content of omega-3 alpha linolenic acid, which is even more desaturated than linoleic.</p>
<p>Do phytosterols not play a role in the issue? Real EVOO should contain a significant amount,while refined OO would have been winterized to remove them &#8212; no? USDA says olive and hazelnut oils both have 120 mg/100 g, but I&#8217;m assuming that this is more likely refined than EVOO; and canola and soybean oil have zero.</p>
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		<title>Comment on IOC response to the UC Davis report &#8211; International Standards Body or Lobby Group? by Darro Grieco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darro Grieco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 01:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our olive oil company has from the beginning stated on the label helpful information.  This includes harvest time, flavor intensity, and importantly free acidity.  This year we include polyphenol (not inflated with tocopherol) value, as determined by a COOC recognized lab.  We enter competitions for the purpose of completing lab analyses with American and international taste panel analyses.

We are confident that attentive consumers will begin to demand a more complete understanding of the value of the foods they purchase and eat.

Darro Griecom. Berkeley Olive Grove 1913</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our olive oil company has from the beginning stated on the label helpful information.  This includes harvest time, flavor intensity, and importantly free acidity.  This year we include polyphenol (not inflated with tocopherol) value, as determined by a COOC recognized lab.  We enter competitions for the purpose of completing lab analyses with American and international taste panel analyses.</p>
<p>We are confident that attentive consumers will begin to demand a more complete understanding of the value of the foods they purchase and eat.</p>
<p>Darro Griecom. Berkeley Olive Grove 1913</p>
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		<title>Comment on IOC response to the UC Davis report &#8211; International Standards Body or Lobby Group? by Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 23:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE most thorough and cogent response yet!  Thank you for such thoughfulness in deciphering this IOC mumbo-jumbo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE most thorough and cogent response yet!  Thank you for such thoughfulness in deciphering this IOC mumbo-jumbo.</p>
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		<title>Comment on IOC response to the UC Davis report &#8211; International Standards Body or Lobby Group? by Tash Girdler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tash Girdler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 08:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well said... 

&quot;If 10% of the milk I bought was off or 10% of the bread I purchased was stale Id have good reason to complain&quot;

At the end of the day if 1% of the EVOO myself or my family purchase is not what the label says - I want action and NOW!!

What a limp response from the IOC...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well said&#8230; </p>
<p>&#8220;If 10% of the milk I bought was off or 10% of the bread I purchased was stale Id have good reason to complain&#8221;</p>
<p>At the end of the day if 1% of the EVOO myself or my family purchase is not what the label says &#8211; I want action and NOW!!</p>
<p>What a limp response from the IOC&#8230;</p>
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